Features May 2015 Issue

Fighting Sulfation in AGMs

PS explores why our batteries don’t last as long as we had hoped.

AGM

In recent years, the popularity of absorbed glass mat (AGM) batteries has soared, yet few owners truly know how to take care of them. If you want to get your money’s worth out of a new AGM battery or battery bank, it should be installed as a system—not simply dropped in as a replacement for flooded batteries.

Battery manufacturers want their batteries recharged to 100-percent state of charge after each discharge. In reality, few cruising boats (or any boats kept on a mooring) return their batteries to 100-percent state of charge after each cycle. This typical battery use, or abuse, is called partial state of charge operation, and if it continues, a sailor can see his AGM battery perform noticeably worse than a less costly, deep-cycle flooded battery bank. This isn’t the battery’s fault; it is just a lack of understanding of how to properly care for an AGM battery.

An often-overlooked ingredient in lead-acid battery care is equalization charging, which should be carried out periodically according to the manufacturer’s recommendations. During equalization, you apply a higher than normal charge voltage (15.2 volts to 16 volts) to a fully charged battery. Equalization can restore some lost capacity and also can serve to bring the individual cells to a better balanced specific gravity. In a 2008 Practical Sailor article, veteran cruiser Andy O’Grady described how he used equalization to prolong the life of his heavily used wet-cell batteries (see PS October 2008 online).

Generally, equalizing an AGM battery is more complicated than it is with a flooded lead-acid battery (many AGM makers don’t even provide guidance on how to do this), so attaining 100-percent state of charge after each cycle becomes even more critical.

Last winter, we set out to try to solve the puzzle of AGM use and charging and to present a clearer picture of the permanent damage we are doing to our AGM batteries by keeping them in a partial state of charge. We chose AGM batteries for several reasons, but the main one was admittedly self-serving: They are easier to test.

Why AGM?

AGM batteries are lead-acid batteries. The chief difference is that they are valve-regulated batteries, in which the electrolyte is “sealed,” as opposed to wet-cell lead-acid batteries, which require you to maintain the proper electrolyte levels as the batteries are cycled. This reduced maintenance is one of the main reasons that AGM batteries are so popular.

The first step to testing a deep-cycle battery is confirming capacity. Battery capacity is measured in various ways: reserve capacity, cold cranking amps, and amp hours. We used amp hours, the most useful measure for comparing deep-cycle, “house” batteries meant for use on an average cruising boat.

In the U.S., amp hours are stated at the C20 rate, the constant rate of amperage that a battery can deliver for 20 hours, at 77 to 80 degrees, before the loaded terminal voltage falls to 10.5 volts (or 1.75 volts per cell). So, to roughly check whether your fully charged 100-amp hour battery meets its rated C20 capacity, you can apply a 5-amp load (100 ÷ 20), and stop when the cells reach 10.5 volts. You should get close to 20 hours. (See “How We Tested” for a deeper explanation of determining capacity.)

Notice we said fully charged. In order to reach rated capacity, a lead-acid battery must be cycled several times and fully recharged. In addition, to fully recharge a lead-acid battery, more energy must be returned to the battery than was removed. For AGM batteries, this may range from 102 percent to as much as 115 percent of the removed energy being returned. As a battery approaches full charge, the number of amps it can accept tapers off. Short of counting how many amp hours you returned to the battery, an easy way to determine when an AGM battery is full is when the charge current at absorption voltage falls to 0.5 percent or less of the rated 20-hour capacity.

Notice we said absorption voltage. In order to reach a state of full charge efficiently, a multi-stage charging system is essential. The technical manual of the Lifeline battery we tested sums the multi-stage charging process this way: “In the first stage, a constant current is applied until the battery voltage reaches a pre-set limit. The first stage is often called the bulk charging stage. In the second stage, the voltage is held constant at the same pre-set limit until the charging current tapers to a very low value, at which point, the battery is fully charged. The second stage is often called the absorption charging stage . . . The battery is fully charged when the current drops below 0.5 percent of the battery’s rated capacity (0.5 amps for a 100-Ah battery). If the recharge does not return 102 to 110 percent of the discharged capacity, the battery’s state of charge will gradually walk down as it is cycled, leading to premature failure. Therefore, it is important to verify that the battery is not being undercharged.”

An AGM battery can cycle up to its maximum rated amp-hour capacity quickly, usually in just in three to seven cycles. This makes life easy for testers.

Flooded batteries, depending upon type, can take 20 to 150 or more cycles before they reach the factory-rated amp-hour capacity. Because flooded batteries take so long to cycle up to capacity, this makes testing them very difficult, and extremely time consuming.

Fighting Sulfation

Sulfation is the enemy of all lead-acid batteries: AGM, gel, and flooded. Think of sulfation as an unavoidable disease, and a healthy charging regimen as treatment. All lead-acid batteries will sulfate. Treating the batteries correctly helps reduce sulfation and leads to longer battery life. Unfortunately, sailboat batteries rarely get the treatment to hold off the sulfation long enough to achieve a desired cycle life.

As a lead-acid battery discharges, lead sulfate forms. As the battery recharges, this lead sulfate is reconverted to lead and lead dioxide. In a perfect world, all of the lead sulfate would reconvert with each full charge cycle, but some lead sulfate never reconverts. Instead, it slowly hardens into lead-sulfate crystals and becomes permanent. The longer you go between full charge cycles and the deeper you discharge your battery, the more hard-lead sulfate you leave on the battery plates. This process reduces the amp-hour capacity that the battery is capable of delivering.

For this test, we wanted to see just how fast the effects of sulfation could set in and damage brand-new, healthy batteries. To do this, we turned to a partial state of charge cycle test.

A partial state of charge cycle test is testing in which the battery is discharged and partially recharged but does not return to 100 percent before being cycled again. This mimics what happens when we’re at anchor or when we store our boat on a mooring or in a marina with no electricity. In these cases, partial state of charge operation is a fact of life—a fact of life that can be murder to batteries.

Even the most sophisticated sailboat alternator and regulator will not regularly get your batteries back to 100 percent. Most sailors don’t, or won’t, run the motor long enough to get there. Charging batteries to 100-percent state of charge, even with AGMs, takes upward of six to eight hours or more. As sulfation sets in, this time grows even longer. The effects of sulfation are cumulative.

As far as we know, this is the only test of AGMs that has looked at the effects of partial state of charge use as related to the way we use our batteries on sailboats.

After bringing the batteries up to full charge and defining amp-hour capacity, we cycled them 30 times through partial states of charge, applying just one hour of recharge, and we charted the results. (For details on our test, see the accompanying “How We Tested.”)

What We Tested

We selected three of the most popular marine AGM batteries and two new-technology AGM batteries to run through our partial state of charge testing. Considering this testing took many months to complete, we focused on the most popular AGM batteries, in the Group 31 size. Many battery vendors actually sell the same battery, privately labeled, and because testing was so time-consuming, we wanted to avoid duplications. With rated capacities of about 100 amp hours, Group 31 is the size commonly found on an average 30- to 40-foot cruising boat. Here’s what our roster looked like:

Lifeline GPL-31T (105 Ah): The Concorde Battery Co. manufactures Lifeline batteries, a longtime player in the marine market. It is one of the most popular AGM batteries in use on boats today.

Deka 8A31DTM (105 Ah): East Penn Manufacturing in Pennsylvania manufactures and markets the widely distributed Deka brand batteries. This battery appears under many different labels. East Penn has a state-of-the-art recycling plant for used batteries.

Odyssey PC2150 TPPL AGM (100 Ah): Marketed as a dual-purpose battery, this thin-plate pure lead (TPPL) battery is made by EnerSys, based in Reading, Penn. This battery is also currently sold as the Die Hard Platinum AGM.

Firefly Oasis Marine Group 31 (110 Ah): Featuring materials and a design that is relatively new to the recreational marine market, the Firefly Oasis uses a patented carbon microcell foam technology that the company claims can delivery longer life and better performance under extreme conditions. The Firefly Oasis Marine AGM is distributed through Bruce Schwab Energy Systems.

China Aviation Lithium Battery Co. (CALB) SE100AHA LiFePO4 (100 Ah): This is a lithium-iron phosphate battery (LiFeP04), sometimes abbreviated as LFP. It is not a drop-in replacement for a lead-acid battery, and it is not recommended for the typical consumer. Mastervolt, Genasun, and Victron build factory-ready LiFePO4 systems, and these would be good places to begin any investigation into a LiFePO4 system for marine use.

Others: Northstar/Energy 1 sent us a battery, but it arrived too late to be included in this round of testing. It will be tested alongside a duplicate Deka battery for comparison and to verify results with the Deka battery we used for this test.

What We Found

AGM batteries accept lots of current in bulk charging, and this can be a real advantage for cruising boats that want to benefit from short high-amperage charging cycles. However, chronic partial state of charge results in sulfation, and this drastically shortens the amount of time the battery is capable of accepting bulk charging.

AGMs are, in one sense, a Catch 22. You paid more for an AGM battery for its fast charge acceptance rate, and shorter engine or generator run times, but if you continue this partial state of charge operation, AGM batteries begin to behave more like flooded batteries in terms of their charge acceptance rates. And while a flooded battery’s capacity can often be partially restored through equalization, the effects of partial state of charge are often permanent in AGMs.

What was striking in our tests was the speed at which the AGM batteries began walking down when put through partial state of charge conditions. On the first charge cycle, every single AGM battery we tested took the full charge rate (46 percent of amp-hour capacity) for the entire hour. The batteries remained in the bulk charging stage for the entire hour, allowing for very efficient charging. By the second cycle, some batteries were already beginning to walk down, and were attaining the absorption voltage by the end of the hour. Within a few cycles, all of the AGM batteries were attaining absorption voltage near the end of the one-hour recharge. With each successive PSOC cycle, absorption voltage was attained earlier and earlier in the short one-hour charge cycle, and the batteries began slowly walking down. This walking down effect in usable capacity was caused by sulfation.

It was interesting to see how the LiFePO4 battery capacity did not diminish through the course of our testing. The reason is clear: LiFePO4 does not sulfate. This testing shows why you need to fully recharge AGMs as often as possible.

As the accompanying tables indicate, when a sailor recharges his battery for one hour each day (at an assumed 80 amps from his alternator), he is not charging as his battery as fully as he might think. Under this regimen, all of the AGM batteries lost usable capacity, from the one-hour recharge from cycle No. 1 through cycle No. 30. If we look at the spread between the highest to lowest losses in usable capacity, in amp hours, on all the batteries over the 30 cycles, it looks like this:

Firefly: 49.75 to 35.10 = -14.65 Ah spread

Lifeline: 45.56 to 31.53 = -14.03 Ah spread

Deka: 47.76 to 37.81 = -9.95 Ah spread

Odyssey: 44.69 to 34.76 = -9.93 Ah spread

LiFePO4: 45.74 to 45.04 = -0.7 Ah spread.

Note that the highest to lowest was not necessarily beginning and end. Some batteries bounced up and down, so highest-to-lowest, one-hour recharge usable capacities were simply taken at the highest and lowest usable capacities over the 30 cycles. The complete set of tables indicating all 30 cycles are available in the online version of this article.

Firefly Oasis Carbon Foam

The Firefly Oasis Marine Battery is rated as a 110-amp hour battery, and for our test, it started at 110.02 amp hours. On the first PSOC cycle to 11.7 volts, the battery’s usable capacity was 49.75 amp hours. The Firefly then walked down and hit a low point of 35.1 usable amp hours at cycle No. 21.

The Firefly’s usable capacity bounced up and down more than other batteries in our testing. The lead engineer at Firefly suggested the peaks occurred after the battery remained at absorption voltage slightly longer.

At the end of 30 cycles, we conducted the first capacity test (discharged to 10.5 volts and then recharged to 100 percent, see “How We Tested”), and the battery delivered just 94.03 amp hours, a loss of nearly 16 amp hours in capacity from the original baseline. This was disappointing, especially for a battery that claims to resist sulfation. Firefly’s lead engineer instructed us to try another capacity test. Indeed, after a second discharge-recharge cycle, the battery not only regained all its capacity, but increased slightly (by 0.5 amp hours) to 110.5 amp hours.

Ultimately, the Firefly lived up its makers claims. In just a few deep cycles, with full recharges, these batteries can regain most—and in some cases all—of the lost capacity due to partial state of charge cycling. The battery required back-to-back deep cycles, both with 100 percent full recharges, but it worked.

Bottom line: Although this AGM technology is still new to the recreational marine market, it is certainly something to watch for in the future.

Odyssey PC2150

The Odyssey’s maker, EnerSys, was the inventor of the orbital battery technology (Optima) and is well ensconced in the military, aerospace, and backup battery systems markets. The Odyssey’s thin-plates pack more plate surface area into the same space as other designs, enabling it to provide both very high cranking power cranking pulses and longer life.

It sounds counterintuitive that a thin plate battery can be used for deep-cycling applications, but the Odyssey TPPL AGMs have a strong following. The PC2150 is a Group 31 TPPL AGM battery rated at 100 amp hours. This particular battery tested above its rating with a baseline capacity of 105.8 amp hours.

The Odyssey walked down a little slower than other batteries and did not dip as deeply at the end of 30 partial state of charge cycles. At the end of the partial state of charge capacity testing, however, the PC2150 could not get back to its baseline as-new capacity. It started life at 105.8 amp hours, and after three capacity tests, it delivered a high of 98.96 amp hours. For testing purposes, this represents a capacity loss of approximately 6.7 percent, but if we consider its rated capacity of 100 amp hours, it only lost a little over 1 percent. The final capacity test on the PC2150 involved a recharge at the 20-hour rate of 5 amps. The battery actually gained 2.17 amp hours when charged slowly at 5 amps to 14.7 volts and then held at 14.7 volts for eight hours.

Bottom line: Overall, the Odyssey handled the partial state of charge cycling fairly well, and the higher absorption voltage (14.7 volts) seemed to help minimize capacity loss.

Deka / East Penn 8A31DTM

The Deka /East Penn 8A31DTM is a hybrid, dual-purpose AGM battery. Widely distributed under many different brand labels, this is perhaps the most popular AGM battery on boats today. This particular battery is sold by Deka, West Marine, NAPA, many Sam’s Clubs as a Duracell, O’Reilly Auto, Power-Tec, MK Battery, and under numerous other smaller labels. It is one of the least expensive AGM batteries you will find on the U.S. market. Some labels offer better warranties, so it can pay to compare.

The 8A31DTM is rated at 105 amp hours. This particular battery tested slightly below its rating with a baseline capacity of 104.5 amp hours. Netting 104.5 amp hours from a 105-amp-hour battery is certainly acceptable.

The Deka 8A31DTM walked down at a reasonable pace compared to others during the partial state of charge testing, and handled the partial state of charge cycling well. Its lowest usable capacity, after the one-hour recharge during the 30 PSOC cycles, was higher than that of all the other lead-acid batteries, meaning it walked down slightly less.

At the end of the partial state of charge testing, however, the 8A31DTM had lost a large percentage of its original 104.5 amp-hour baseline capacity. Even after three capacity tests, the 8A31DTM could only deliver 73.42 amp hours. This represents a surprisingly high capacity loss, during the partial state of charge testing, of approximately 30 percent of its as-new tested capacity.

Bottom line: Deka suggested that our test did not bring the battery up to full capacity prior to capacity testing. We worked closely with Deka’s tech team to bring the battery to full capacity, so this seems unlikely, but to confirm whether our particular battery was an anomaly, we will be testing a second Deka battery. The decline could be inherent to the Deka’s intended dual-purpose design, but we can’t really be sure until we test a second battery.

Lifeline GPL-31T

The Lifeline GPL-31T is a deep-cycle AGM Group 31 battery that, as far as we know, is not privately labeled. The manufacturer, Concorde, has a long history of providing batteries to the recreational vehicle market as well as to many of the top-tier boat builders. The company is known for its robust build, excellent tech support, and the willingness to stand behind the product.

The GPL-31T is rated at 105 amp hours, and this particular battery tested slightly above its rating with a baseline capacity of 105.2 amp hours. The battery walked down at a bit steeper pace than others during the partial state of charge testing, but it has a secret weapon that other AGMs do not. The Lifeline can be equalized, or as Lifeline calls it “condition charged,” when needed.

To condition charge a Lifeline AGM, you can apply a temperature-compensated voltage of up to 15.5 volts for as long as eight hours. At the end of the partial state of charge testing, the GPL-31T had lost a bit of its original 105.2 amp-hour baseline capacity. On the first capacity test, the battery turned in a capacity of 89.43 amp hours. For the first capacity test, we charged it at 48.3 amps and 14.4 volts until current was at 0.5 amps; we then ran a 24-hour float charge voltage; and finally let it rest for 24 hours disconnected. (The Lifeline AGM charges at a lower absorption voltage than the Odyssey or Deka.) We then ran the same recharge cycle, but once the battery’s acceptance hit 1 amp at 14.4 volts, we adjusted the voltage to 15.5 volts for four hours, then floated and rested the battery for 24 hours. This bumped up the capacity to 91.21 amp hours. Noting an increase in capacity, we did the same thing again. After that “condition charge,” the battery bumped up to 93.67 amp hours.

Finally, we went back to the standard charge protocol of 14.4 volts to 0.5 percent acceptance and retested. This time, the battery dropped back slightly to 93.02 amp hours. This was the only battery that got a fourth capacity test, which we performed only because it had these special charge capabilities, which our testing confirmed, does seem to work. Eight total hours at 15.5 volts over two consecutive back-to-back capacity test cycles yielded a small but definite improvement of almost 4.25 amp hours in regained capacity.

Bottom line: Overall, the Lifeline lost nearly 11 percent of its as-new capacity in the 30 partial state of charge cycles. The “condition charging” helps, but might need to be done more often in a heavy PSOC cycling application. It would be best to consult with Lifeline on this.

CALB SE100AHA LiFePO4

We included this battery to see how it did against lead-acid in a partial state of charge test. This battery consisted of four CALB SE100 prismatic LiFePO4 cells (LFP) wired in series. This is not how LFP batteries would be installed on a boat; we did this only for testing purposes in a very controlled environment.

LiFePO4 batteries perform differently from lead acid but should also charge at lower voltages, closer to gel or below (13.8 to 14 volts is ideal), and unlike lead-acid batteries, you don’t want to float charge LFP batteries. LFP batteries also have considerably higher resting voltages than do lead-acid batteries. A pack like this, under normal house loads on a boat, would rarely dip below 13.2 volts.

This battery was not discharged or charged based on a 20-hour rate. LiFePO4 batteries have a minimal Peukert effect, so drawing them at a low current won’t really yield much more capacity. (According to the Peukert’s Law, as the rate of discharge increases, the battery’s available capacity decreases.) For this reason, LiFePO4 batteries are rated at a specific discharge load, not time and discharge load like AGMs. Most makers rate LiFeP04 batteries at 30 percent of capacity (.3C), as is shown in our table.

This 100 amp-hour battery was discharged at 25 amps and charged at 46 amps. We discharged it to approximately 86 percent depth of discharge, far more than we did with the flooded batteries. The widest gap in capacity during the 30 partial charge cycles was just 0.7 amp hours. If we’d counted amp hours instead of using a cut-off voltage to determine when to stop charging, this small variation would likely disappear.

This battery tested at 101.2 amp hours after we manually balanced the cells. After 30 partial state of charge cycles, the LiFePO4 battery tested at 101.3 amp hours, showing effectively no loss in capacity. This is what LFP batteries do best, partial state of charge cycle.

Bottom line: LiFePO4 batteries are still expensive, and dropping an LFP into a lead-acid charging system can lead to expensive and possibly dangerous problems. Given time, LFP will be a contender, but today, it remains out of reach of all but the very technically inclined sailor, or one with deep pockets.

Conclusion

The results of our test were clear: The longer any lead-acid battery is left at less than 100 percent state of charge, the more permanent harm sulfation is causing to the battery. Except for the Deka battery (which we will be retesting), these batteries generally lived up to our expectations.

Because of small variables in production lines and distribution (shelf storage times and maintenance can also impact performance), a single test is not enough for us to pick an overall winner between the Odyssey or the Lifeline, the two “mainstream” batteries in our test. Both are equally capable of meeting a sailor’s house bank needs. We did not evaluate cold cranking (starting ability), something the Odyssey claims to excel at. The Firefly topped both of these in terms of recovering capacity, but because we have so little data from the marine market on this product and the support network is unproven, we’re hesitant to enthusiastically jump on the Firefly bandwagon. We intend to followup with some field-testing. Stay tuned.

Keep in mind that the “abuse” that our test batteries endured is less harmful than what commonly occurs on our boats. It can be even more damaging to leave a battery to stand at 50 percent state of charge, for multiple days, than to conduct multiple back to back 100-

percent discharge capacity tests followed by a full 100-percent recharge.

Heat is also a major factor in overall cycle life. A worst-case scenario would be a sailboat with only an alternator for charging that anchors or moors in an area where the batteries remain above 80 degrees. (Bahamas, anyone?)

Boaters on moorings or docks with no charging capability other than the alternator should consider an alternative means to get the batteries back to 100 percent state of charge as soon as possible after each discharge. Even a small 20- to 60-watt solar array with a charge controller can greatly extend battery life for a boat without shore charging capability.

In the accompanying sidebar “Tips and Techniques,” we offer guidelines to help prolong battery life, but basically, it boils down to this: Do your best to get your batteries back to 100 percent state of charge as often as is possible, using your manufacturers prescribed voltages, and your batteries will thank you.

Comments (20)

George,

We wanted to compare some of the most popular AGM's in wide spread marine use, for house banks, to some newer technology suitable as marine house banks. In general Optima Batteries are not widely used as house banks because they lack sufficient Ah capacity due to the nature of the orbital design. Sure, folks use them in house banks but in an Ah to space/footprint calculation they offer considerably lower Ah capacities than do flat plate TPPL AGM batteries. For example the Optima Blue Top D31M has a 75Ah capacity and the smallest flat plate G-31 AGM battery we tested has 25% more capacity at 100Ah. We also did not test the new Trojan Reliant AGM (was not yet shipping) and did not test Full River, Rolls or US Battery AGM's because of small level of popularity they have for marine use.

As for desulfators this was not an article about battery desulfators it was about PSOC use and the effects it has on AGM batteries.

In a perfect world we'd love to test all AGM batteries for PSOC use but this is simply far too time consuming, not really possible time & $$$ wise and so we chose the most most widely used AGM batteries for house bank use as well as some new technologies.

Posted by: RC Collins | March 18, 2016 8:49 AM    Report this comment

Just curious as to why Optima batteries were not covered at all and the VDC BatteryMinder that desulfates AGM batteries with electrical pulses at a specific frequency.

I look to PS as a source of unbiased information and something's amiss with this article.

Posted by: George DuBose | March 16, 2016 3:13 PM    Report this comment

Just curious as to why Optima batteries were not covered at all and the VDC BatteryMinder that desulfates AGM batteries with electrical pulses at a specific frequency.

I look to PS as a source of unbiased information and something's amiss with this article.

Posted by: George DuBose | March 16, 2016 3:13 PM    Report this comment

If bringing batteries up to full charge is recommended and sailors often typically use their engines only briefly, wouldn't it make sense to have ammeters installed for both the house and start batteries to allow the operator to know when to shut off the engine, that is when "the current drops below 0.5 percent of the battery's rated capacity (0.5 amps for a 100-Ah battery)"? I would assume that a sophisticated battery monitor would not be required, just an ammeter.

Posted by: Kaneohe | January 18, 2016 1:42 PM    Report this comment

Great article thank you! In your Tips and Techniques sidebar you mentioned "Use smart solar controllers". Do you have any examples of a smart solar controller that I should look for please?

Posted by: Bernie C | July 17, 2015 10:46 AM    Report this comment

Thanks for an informative article based on what appears to be a well-considered and executed test procedure. I have not seen data like this presented elsewhere and surmised that PSOC use common to cruising without extended access to shore power is bad for battery health.
I can appreciate the difficulty in conducting similar tests for flooded lead-acid batteries, but for many sailors, deep-cycle golf cart batteries remain the workhorse energy storage solution. Can you comment on how these results might extrapolate to flooded batteries or do you know of testing along these lines?
Thanks.

Posted by: Alan S | June 1, 2015 8:01 PM    Report this comment

To correct my earlier comment, I found reference to 10.5 being 0% state of charge in the Calder book. So even in his book he gives both voltage values as being fully discharged. Confusing. I understand that the point is to attempt to fully charge the batteries in order to avoid damaging effects of sulfation and also avoid discharging them below 50%, whatever that voltage is. In practical use on our boat that means several hours of charging per day or alternative energy production, solar, wind or a combination, in order to use less of the bank.

Posted by: Bernard B | May 18, 2015 10:18 AM    Report this comment

Bernard, 10.5 volts (no load) is the number most commonly used for capacity testing.

Posted by: sailordn | May 13, 2015 12:28 PM    Report this comment

The complete day to day capacity readings for each battery are now available through links in the text, you'll see them in the discussion of PSOC spread under the subhead "What We Found."

Posted by: sailordn | May 13, 2015 12:27 PM    Report this comment

Your tests state that 10.5 volts is equivalent to 0% state of charge and I read in Boatowner's Mechanical and Electrical Manual by Nigel Calder that 11.8 volts is 0% state of charge. Searching the internet I found a few websites that give the 10.5 value and others that give 11.8. I would like to know which is correct and why the difference. I am trying to configure my electrical system so as to minimize the partial state of charge problem by installing wind and solar charging. Thank you.

Posted by: Bernard B | May 8, 2015 2:50 PM    Report this comment

Ron,

I am struggling to see how your data supports your conclusion that PSOC cycling "does permanent damage to their capacity" or "drastically reduces their CAR".

With the exception of Deka all the batteries suffered relatively insignificant capacity loss given this extreme test.

And after 3 days all the batteries show insignificant charge acceptance rate loss. You don't show the data from day 3 to day 30, but even at day 30 of this brutal application scenario the CAR is still within 20% of day 1. Hardly drastic. And hardly permanent, since you did not test for CAR loss permanence following the full recharge after 30 days.

If you follow manufacturers advice and limit discharges to less than 50% (12.18V in Odyssey's case) and bring to a full recharge as recommended (every 7-10 days) this test would indicate degradation due to sulfation from responsible PSOC cycling is inconsequential.

I know you are trying to show owner's that out right abuse of their batteries as regards PSOC cycling is bad. But I am not sure this test supports that very well. Particularly for active cruisers that are on the move and typically have to motor 40% of the time between destinations, allowing for frequent returns to Float charging of their banks.

Having said all this, thank you for your hard work in doing these tests. This data is just not available anywhere else.

Ed

Posted by: LAWRENCE L | May 6, 2015 1:08 PM    Report this comment

I had two Trojan 31-AGM batteries as house bank and 250W solar panel charging it installed in 2007. 250W solar panel generates 15 amps current on a sunny day (more that my boat uses with everything turned on), and 2-3 amps charging current even in winter despite shrink-wrap! I did not do anything to my batteries since 2007 (no equalizing, no checking anything, etc.) for eight years, solar panel just kept them almost always 100% charged (except overnight with fridge running - battery meter would indicate battery 70% in the morning, recovering to 100% by midday). I have not plugged the boat to shore power in eight years (no galvanic corrosion for me).

I finally had to replace my AGM batteries after forgetting to turn off VHF radio and cut off house battery last fall before winter storage. If it was not for that, I probably would have gotten few years more from my batteries. So the lesson is - connect even a small solar panel to your AGM batteries and you can stop worrying about your AGM batteries for probably around ten years (no charging, no equalizing, no nothing - electricity is just always there as if the boat was connected to the grid)...

Posted by: Jan S | May 3, 2015 10:16 AM    Report this comment

Is it possible to do any destructive post-mortem testing on the lead batteries? Specifically, it might be interesting to note if the extent to which sulfate is visibly present on the plates, and what (if any) visible degredation there was in the electrolyte mats. Obviously, this would involve cutting the batteries open.

With AGM's, there is a trade-off between higher voltages (including "conditioning" to avoid sulphation, and potential electrolyte loss (which can't be replaced in
AGMs. At first glance, there does appear to be some corelation between charging
voltage used in PSOC testing, and apparent sulphation shown in the high/low result.

Posted by: %2B1 for yellow - example 2 | April 29, 2015 12:43 PM    Report this comment

We just installed and have running a 250W solar panel with a Midnight Solar "The Kid" controller. We have a 3 month old Trojan AGM Group 24, 12V as a house battery, and a new Discovery AGM EV 27A-A as a starter battery in our 1981 Yamaha 30.
The contoller seems to be keeping the batteries at a 13.4V float. We are readying for a year of use as we just bought her in November.
I read that we must contact the battery manufacturers to find the float voltage and float absorb settings for each battery.
My reason for spending the money on solar was not wanting to worry about the batteries and still be able to run the electronics and even a 12V fridge that was an installed option on our boat.
If there is advice for us, please send it.

Posted by: wildswan | April 27, 2015 12:23 PM    Report this comment

John M.,

I believe the idea of "wasting money" is subjective and will depend more on your own wants or needs than anything else. AGM batteries do have many benefits that deep cycle flooded batteries don't have. High charge acceptance, better charge efficiency, sealed electrolyte, low maintenance, excellent cranking capability, excellent ability to support a voltage under high discharge loads, the ability to be installed on there side, low self discharge and high vibration tolerance to name just a few.

If you are taking advantage of any of these benefits then you are arguably not wasting money because those advantages may not be available in flooded batteries. If you are not taking advantage of any of these benefits then your choice is wide open to deep cycle flooded or GEL batteries.

All batteries need to get back to 100% SOC as often as possible, not just AGM, and this is one of the biggest issues we face on boats with our batteries.

Posted by: RC Collins | April 22, 2015 9:55 AM    Report this comment

Thanks for your earlier response. For the practical realities of conditions aboard a sailboat with a small auxiliary engine, are there any real benefits to AGM batteries? I have believed them more able to take deep discharges and to have low self-discharge rates, but after reading your article, I wonder if I've been wasting my money.

Posted by: John M | April 21, 2015 2:48 PM    Report this comment

Steven,

This is an industry wide problem which few charger manufacturers are willing to address. Victron is one of the few manufacturers who provide a dedicated voltage sensing circuit on their inverter/charger "combi" units. This is a great feature for short duration high current charging.

Ideally the wire would be sized to handle these loads but terminations, switches & fuses all add to the voltage drop and most installers only size for wire voltage drop and ignore all the other items that add to it.

Your smart regulator, if properly wired and installed, likely uses a dedicated non-current carrying volt sense circuit so it can correct for voltage drop in the circuit. This is why it can charge faster because it is looking directly at the battery terminal voltage and compensating for any voltage drop in the circuit. A charger with no volt sensing circuit looks only at its end of the circuit for voltage while the other end could be quite a bit lower.

I would suggest caution on upping charger voltages because when the current eventually drops low enough there will no longer be enough current to cause the voltage drop and the batteries can wind up getting over charged unless you constantly change the settings based on system loads. If you are only doing short bulk charges, and a bit of absorption, this can be fine but back at the dock you could cause damage to the batteries.

Posted by: RC Collins | April 21, 2015 1:10 PM    Report this comment

We have a large Lifeline AGM bank with four-4D batteries; a Mastervolt Combi; and a large Balmar alternator with a smart regulator. We charge on shore power and underway with the generator driving the Mastervolt while we are sailing

I have found that it is necessary to set the Mastervolt controls so the batteries see the expected voltages AFTER the house loads. i.e., when the refrigeration, computer, nav instruments, etc are drawing an ongoing background load, you need to up the output voltage of the charger to compensate. This means the bulk, absorption, and float voltages must be tuned upward.

If you don't do this, the banks take much longer to get to 100% -- or even 90%. Essentially you must run the generator or shore power charging much longer and you damage the batteries.

Measure the input at the batteries AFTER the 20-40 amp load, not before and your batteries and your generator will like it better. Our smart regulator is better at this because it seems to index the charging to the batteries themselves.

SG

Posted by: SG | April 20, 2015 11:04 PM    Report this comment

The only battery in this test that can be equalized or "conditioned" is the Lifeline battery. The Lifeline battery can be conditioned for up to 8 hours at a temp compensated 15.5V. The Lifeline Technical Manual has more detail on the procedure. Perhaps after this test other AGM manufacturers will offer some guidance on sulfation recovery procedures, but for this test the only battery that could be equalized was the Lifeline.

Posted by: RC Collins | April 19, 2015 7:30 AM    Report this comment

After all of this, you didn't talk about equalization procedures and results

Posted by: John M | April 18, 2015 1:09 PM    Report this comment

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